Wednesday, March 22, 2006

lose weight on vegetarian diet? Lose your health too.

This is worldwide problem that has little to do with meat Meat-eaters who don't supplement suffer from B12 deficiency as well There was a recent reports about how widespread actually is B12 amonsts meat-eaters and the whole population Homocysteine levels (which show if you have enough B12 or you deficient in it) should be below 9; this is the optimal level Meat-eaters (who don't supplement) on average have a level of 13 Vegetarians (who don't supplement) on average have a level of 15 Vegans (who don't supplement)      on average have a level of 19 Meat-eaters are deficient too, like anyone else and we all should take a B12 supplement whether we eat tons of pork or not animal foods at all

This is a problem for anyone who live in cold climate People in North Europe suffer from vitamin D deficiency even if they drink milk (where the vitamin is ! chemically added and not a natural part of milk)of eat fish

All this amino acids are provided by plants In fact 2500 calories of beans would provide more than our RDA for these amino acids ------------------------------------------------------- 2500 calories of only beans provide all the essential amino acids one need without needing to complement with grains or other foods:

-----------------------------------------------------------                  (1)    (2)      (3)        (4)        (5)                   RDA    RDA     BEANS      BEANS Amino Acid     mg/kg  mg/70kg  mg/100g  mg/2000kcal   %RDA Isoleucine       10     700      363       5299       757% Leucine  !        14     980      6 56       9577       977% Lysine           12     840      564       8234       980% Methionine       13     910      124       1810       199% <-- Phenylalanine    14     980      444       6482       661% Threonine         7     490      346       5051      1031% Tryptophan      3.5     245       97       1416       578% Valine           10     700      430       6277       897%

What these results show is that eating nothing but beans would result in obtaining a large excess of every essential amino! acid.  In spite of the fact that beans are _relatively_ low in methionine, they are not _absolutely_ low in methione.  Eating nothing but beans would still provide 2 times the RDA of methionine. -------------------- This doesn't mean of course that eating nothing but beans is a good idea, but it would be protein-adequate anyway

What you doesn't seem to consider is that meat protein/calories is not a so good source of protein and it not so rich in protein Since we're talking about vegetarians and not vegans maybe it should be mentioned that eggs are a better source of proteins, vitamin D and vitamins B12 than meat

LOL What a idiocy This says a lot about your nutritional knowledge Vegetarians consume on average 40% fat mostly from nuts, seeds, avocados and oils A linoleic acid deficiency is impossible and have nothing to do with eating or not eating meat

Phytates are powerful anticancers and antioxidants, they're actually healthy substan! ce Although phytic acid content of foods can affect mineral absorptio n (less than 15 percent though) phytates are not toxic and they actually have beneficial properties They surely not the deadly posions unscientific Paleo Diet books would like us to believe

Come back when you've done your homeworks LOL... a vegetarian diet deficient in linoleic acid ...ROTFL ...

Daniel

6 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hence, the Health Food Store Shoppers study, conducted in Great Britain.  They concentrated on only the people who regularly shop at a health-food store, and compared meat-eaters with vegetarians from that group.  Those people, whether meat-eaters or vegetarians, are much less likely to smoke, more likely to exercise, more likely to eat healthy food.  In that group, the vegetarians were still much less likely to die of cardiovascular disease - 36% less likely.  Look up "Oxford Health Food Shoppers Study" on PubMed.

LM

2:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As far as I know high homocysteine levels among meat-eaters are caused most often by lack of folic acid, not B12.

Jan

2:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is probably true in youth and middle age, probably less true for the elderly, in which the following potential problems exist for B12 utilization aside from inadequate ingestion:

-failure to separate vitamin B12 from food protein -inadequate absorption, utilization, and storage -drug-food interactions leading to malabsorption and metabolic inactivation.

Source-- Vitamin B12 deficiency. Recognizing subtle symptoms in older adults. Dharmarajan TS, Adiga GU, Norkus EP. Geriatrics. 2003 Mar;58(3):30-4, 37-8 PMID: 12650116

7:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On 20 Oct 2004 12:30:39 -0700, purple_bov@yahoo.com (Larisa) wrote:



Another thing I forgot to mention is that vegetarians are more often women than men, so if you do a survey and group the participants into "vegetarian" and "non-vegetarian", the vegetarian group is going to have significantly more women in it than the non-vegetarian one. Women have a much lower risk of heart disease than men, hence the vegetarian group will show a lower rate of heart disease purely because there are more women in it. There was at least one famous study I read about (which might have been the one above), where the supposed lower risk of heart disease for vegetarians could be entirely explained by this skewed sex ratio, which hadn't been taken into account by the researchers.

11:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hugh wrote (snipped):

I don't think it can be, because I think the study Larisa was referring to was that described in this paper:

    http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/313/7060/775

which certainly did control for age and sex.

4:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:35:58 GMT, a@anon.anon (Hugh) posted:



This doesn't really mean much unless you cite the study. I've never seen a study that doesn't control for gender.

4:23 AM  

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